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escalates the fight on the w economy. is the debt ceiling negotiable? your thoughts? send us a tweet or post your comment on facebook. you can also send us an e-mail. president obama held his last official news conference of the first term yesterday in the east room of the white house. here's what he had to say on the debt ceiling debate. [video clip] >> republicans and congress have two choices. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransomed in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people well-being is not a leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states is not a bargaining chip. they had better choose quickly, because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea, r. triple-a credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our mystery, our businesses created the few jobs in any month in nearly the past three years, and the whole fiasco added to the deficit. ho
in terms of what they can do, specifically on the debt ceiling, for example. we just heard the house republicans are going to try to negotiate a short-term debt ceiling deal so they can try to go for a grand bargain. second-term presidencies have just been spent and filled with misspent political capital that has just eoverreach in terms of presidents looking for a legacy and overspending their political capital. that's the risk president obama -- >> interesting in this cnn poll that just come out, how is president obama handling his job as president, approve 53%, disapprove 42%. but when they are asked how is the country headed, right direction 35%, wrong direction, 57%. they approve of the president but think he's going completely in the wrong direction. he's a lucky boy, many would argue, that he's gotten a second term, given the state of the economy, given the fact that most americans think the country is going in the wrong direction. he's been given that lucky second chance. and he campaigned well. you have to give him that. what are his challenges in the second term? >> the fir
's in south carolina. and this headline in the aiken standard -- then, on the debt ceiling debate, the ways and means chairman has announced there will be hearings on this on january 22. they will be taking a look and that. also in the newspapers this morning, here's the "washington times with this headline -- " he will be our guest coming up, the top democrat on the ways and means committee in the house. later, we will talk to the chairman of the house judiciary committee, representative goodlatte, on the washington journal this morning as well. two members of congress. continuing with the debt ceiling, the financial times this morning reports -- on the nomination of chuck hagel, a former nebraskahe ka senator.m he won the support of two key members. his opposition so far has come almost entirely from fellow republicans. those are some of the headlines this morning in the papers. back to our question, do you support executive action on gun- control measures? now to an independent caller. caller: hi. i just wonder if there are any human beings left. the underlying issue has very little to d
sides when it comes to president and congress, this debt ceiling fight. >> that's right. although now we're seeing some of the temperatures lower there because every was expecting for this to be during the last time out, republicans saying let's deal with this for the next three mos, deal with the longer one later. the white house encouraged -- they're encouraged by what they're hearing but clearly it's not going to be easy. but certainly i think not as contentious as we were thinking in the short term. >> we'll see how that relationship develops if at all or e vovls throughout the next term. dan, thanks very much. john has some of the other headlines this hour. >>> including the manti te'o story. twists and turns if that mysterious case of the notre dame linebacker and his fictitious girlfriend. notre dame linebacker says he was the victim of a cruel hoax. he spoke off kacamera with espn jeremy schaap and said as recently as last wednesday he believed his girlfriend was real person even know he never met her. schaap says he seemed believable and sincere throughout the interview. >> i ca
the debt ceiling in a timely manner and providing more clarity on policies could actually generate a boost in confidence and open the door for faster growth in the second half of 2013. looking at the labor market, we see lackluster growth in 2013 wing on job creation. we actually see gains of slowing in the first half of 2013 before picking up. it is a little bit slower than in the 4 1/4 with the doctrines of around 50,000 per month. slower gdp growth is going to be driven, we think, by a consumer that is going to be hobbled by tax increases. we will remain positive in 2013 combined -- in 2013, but not appositive in consumer spending over the fourth quarter the second half will be particularly weighed down by less money in their paychecks. and we think as the year progresses, the strength of the housing market, the while the effects of the home price gains and perhaps to improvement in housing could lead to somewhat stronger consumer spending. we did see a 12% gain in housing starts this morning month over month. 37% year over year. these are strong numbers. we did see improvement in home
, there will be a vote in the house of representatives, the republicans want there to an votes on the debt ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into the limousine and will come to the reviewing stand behind us. i guess this is an important day for us to remember who it is we are and what we espouse to be and send a message to the world but more than anything, isn't this good for the kids on martin luther king jr. day to have the african-american president coming for his second inauguration? there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man who may not have had hope before. >> there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man. the constitution talked
the sequestered, the debt ceiling, and you have the continuing resolution. the sequestered and debt ceiling fall on top of each other towards the end of february. these to say and republican leadership and the senate, which is served in for 12 years, you never take a hostage you cannot shoot. the problem with the house was they took hostage the cannot shoot when they took the fiscal cliff. if the republican members of congress take the debt ceiling as a hostage, it is a hostage you cannot shoot. as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game is over. tenfold. because believe me, though congress can stand up to the senior lobby. so that is not a legiti
: but there are still deep divides, including an upcoming deadline over the debt ceiling which is the nation's borrowing limit. this week's top republicans offered a new plan that would increase the limit for three months and require congress to pass the budget within that time frame or else no pay. >> so we're saying is, we will extend the debt limit until the timeline where you have a budget, a road map. >> reporter: republicans are hoping that strategy will ultimately lead democrats to agree to deep spending cuts. officials close to the president say mr. obama is open to more cuts but insists he won't slash entitlements like medicare. >> ultimately we've got to do it in a balanced way. he's not going to do this on the backs of the poorest americans. >> reporter: the looming fiscal fight could overshadow some of the president's larger policy goals, like promoting gun safety in the wake of the newtown tragedy. this past week president obama unveiled a package of new proposals aimed at curbing gun violence. >> congress should impose a ban on military-style assault weapons. >> reporter: but its resistanc
debate is whether to raise that debt ceiling. 69 percent of you said it should only be raised after major cuts are made where 23 percent say it would be reckless not to. it is coming up. >>> powerful wind gusts tearing through the midwest knocking down this frtree and causing ito fall into the house in ohio. luckily the people inside the home were in the basement so they were not injured. >>> with the stong winds comes a a -- strong winds comes a bitter cold snap. for more let's go to maria molina. >> we are not looking at cold temperatures across the areas of the midwest but also in the oifrt ea northeast. we didn't get this cold in places like the northeast. take a look at portions of the midwest. 6 below zero the current temperature in minneapolis. that is not the windchill. it feels even colder and some places will be looking at windchill temperatures more than 20 degrees below zero. we are talking about dangerous conditions across places in the upper midwest. make sure your home is winterized. we are only going to be seeing a hyatt 4 below zero 8 degrees below zero in far go. 45 dc a
such as debt ceiling spending and the gun control debate. >> that's where we begin our first pole this morning. when asked if you think the tough gun control laws will prevent acts like the noun shooting 41 percent say no people will still try to commit the acts. 22 percent said yes. we asked about finances. those polled say income taxes will likely go up this year 11 percent more than the number who believe gun laws will change. 48 percent say they expect changes through immigration reform this year. 21 percent believe the deficit will get smaller. >> when it comes to the deficit in spending 83 percent were told they believe government spending is out of control that's up from 78 percent back in february 2010 and the next economic debate is whether to raise that debt ceiling. 69 percent of you said it should only be raised after major cuts are made where 23 percent say it would be reckless not to. it is coming up. >>> powerful wind gusts tearing through the midwest knocking down this frtree and causing ito fall into the house in ohio. luckily the people inside the home were in the basement so
the debt ceiling or later on over the continuing resolution to? finance to? -- or the continuing resolution to finance the government? guest: i've only been here two years. i truly believe that when i ran and even more so now, we are a nation at risk. every american, regardless of political affiliation. so we have to reduce federal spending. this is the time right now. some of my colleagues were saying let's get through the fiscal cliff and the real fight is the continuing resolution or the real fight is the debt limit. i hear that and it goes on. host: where do you insist on spending cuts? is that the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution? guest: it is that every point. host: all of the above? guest: yes. when the president says he wants a balanced approach, i believe him. i was looking for the simpson- bowles model, fighting for least 2 to 1. i was hoping for 1 to 1. i was disappointed and deeply surprised we did not get that in this fiscal cliff. here i was as a republican, so often introduced on tv shows and news shows, "coming up, a republican who says we need higher revenues." an
's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the inauguration, it is as tight as it can possibly get, like the motherload of security here. joe johns is here with us to talk about the whole situation. what are we seeing? >> well, john, first of all, there are probably going to be something like 12,000 security people that we know of in and around the national mall for all of the events. so let's break that down a little bit. there are about 4,000 d.c. police officers all of whom will be available for security, different shifts probably working between 12 and 1 hours on sunday and on monday. we have something like 6,000 national guard people, men and women, who are brought h
there is a backdrop to this speech. the backdrop to this speech is the fact that he was strong on the debt ceiling and has been strong on the debt cereal something far. he was strong on gun rights. he came out worried about legacy and he's going to build the legacy through strength. i understand why people are dubious, but this was a magnificent speech in that it was about "we," other people. you talk about immigration you talk about a poet of cube an disaccidentdissent who is gay. he talked about stone wall and seneca walls and selma benchmark historical moments for women, black americans gay americans, this was a spectacular speech because of that. it is words but i think he's starting to see the "we" in this and he wants to lead all of us. >> cenk: i saw your tweet from earlier saying if this was for mitt romney you wouldn't here about seneca or selma that's a good point. here is a clip that sounds perfectly good but there is one big issue if you ask me. let's watch it together. >> obama: we must act knowing that our work will be imperfect. we must act knowing today's victories will only be par
an extension as bob reported on the debt ceiling maybe for a couple of months but notice how the republicans have placed a lot of contingencies on. that well unless you pass the budget by april we'll cut everybody's pay so we're going to have a series of cascading fiscal cliff-esque budget deadlines over the next several months and that really is the biggest threat to president obama's agenda. the things he talked about today whether it was on climate change immigration reform, gun safety. it's hard to do those things when you have as john pointed out leftovers from the first term. >> pelley: unity on monday, real politics on tuesday. norah and john, thank you very much. cbs news live coverage of the second inauguration of president obama will continue after these words. sometimes life can be well, a little uncomfortable. but when it's hard or hurts to go to the bathroom, there's dulcolax stool softener. dulcolax stool softener doesn't make you go, it just makes it easier to go. dulcolax stool softener. make yourself comfortable. ♪ i dare you to dare me this winter? i've got a dare. ♪ re
a debt ceiling. they fought affordable health care. they say they support cuts to programs for the needy. so it's all of this as you heard the congressman say, the question is whether it is important enough to borrow. i'm telling him people are living in trailers in the cold. they're in shelters. their homes are gone. not that there's a flood up to their waste. there is no home. there is no furniture. let's see if it's important enough to borrow and how we're going to pay it back. >> look. everything the government spends on many areas is borrowed. right? defense budget is borrowed. it depends which part is borrowed and which is paid for through taxes. they're making a philosophical point. i don't doubt the sincerity. he cares about deficits. but at a time like this, it's a delay. and i don't know how he can square his sympathy for victims because he was a victim, too, at one point with this political point he wants to make about budget. yes. there is discussion to be had about budgets and deficits. but right now this has a real impact, these delays. so making the point about deficits is
the national debt ceiling. republican leaders announced today the extension lets the government continue borrowing money until may 19. the current debt ceiling-- $16.4 trillion-- could be reached as early as mid-february. the house bill does not specify a new dollar amount. it does mandate that congress approve budgets, or lawmakers won't be paid. major league baseball lost two hall of famers over the weekend. st. louis cardinals great stan musial-- "stan the man"-- died saturday at his home just outside the city. he played 22 years, helping the cards win three world series titles in the 1940's. he was widely regarded as one of game's greatest hitters ever. stan musial was 92 years old. also saturday, former baltimore orioles manager earl weaver passed away, during a caribbean cruise. weaver won the world series in 1970, and took his teams to three others. along the way, he gained fame for his fiery, in-your-face confrontations with umpires. he was ejected from games 91 times over 17 seasons. earl weaver was 82 years old. >> brown: finally tonight, a closing reflection on the inauguratio
inaugural gifts to president obama and vice president biden had a charming picture. debt ceiling, gun control on the agenda, the second term honeymoon is likely to end quickly. the president struck assertive tone in the inaugural address. >> we cannot substitute speck taggal for politics, or treat name calling as reasoned debate. >> the republicans in congress have been defined by the actions. that is why the polling numbers are poor. >> in an interview with the "washington post," white house communication director dan pfeiffer suggested mr. obama is worthy of the task, but republicans are not. "there is a moment of opportunity now that is important. what is frustrating is that we don't have a political system. or an opposition party worthy of the opportunity. pfeiffer told fox it was a message to the country, not just republican parties. but a key senator sounded troubled by a tone heading to a new term with the nation facing serious issues requiring leadership. >> both parties need to work together to solve big proble problems. the democrats need help from the president to lay out t
a proposal. they said hey, we'll lift the debt ceiling if for the next three months you give us a budget, senate and the president. get together on a budget so we can go through the normal budget process. does that show republicans ac question yes, sirring or showing they're coming to the table more? >> you know, because i've been on shot and die it every monday with you, because i happen to like you and the show very much, all three of you, we have a lot of fun. i also know you have high ratings, so i'm very honored. i've been talking about this for weeks with you. we have to do something with regard to spending. we have to do something and we have to do it fast. and everybody, i think we missed a great opportunity and this is what we've been discussing when they didn't go over the cliff because if you went over the cliff, you would have been over the cliff for 24 hours before everything was solved with the big picture. if they gave that you opportunity, i think that at this point, if the 14th amendment is not going to be used, which it might be, i mean, you understand what i mean by t
's why i think you saw them retreat from the plan to push this debt ceiling issue immediately upon returning to work. so i think that there's a prospect for getting some things done. certainly on issues like immigration reform. there's a powerful impetus for there to be progress. i think we can make some. >> david, thank you very much. you're going to be leaving the president's side and starting an institute of politics at the university of chicago and we wish you all the luck in the world. >> you guys, i need you out there. >> nancy cordis is there as a number of the dignitaries begin to take their seats. what are you seeing? >> scott, there are 1,600 seats that have been set up on the west front terrace of the capitol. people who will be surrounding the president as he takes the oath of office. we are still awaiting the announcement of the dignitaries who will come out in groups. first, the nation's diplomatic core, the governor, then the cabinet, the joint chief of staff, and supreme court. and two former presidents, bill clinton and president carter who will both be in attendan
, and what's on the agenda is devising some sort of house bill that would raise the debt ceiling and pair it with entitlement or other spending cuts. you know, there's differing theories about how long, you know, one or two years which is what the president talked about. we've heard a couple of months, we've heard four years. you know, but there's sort of a principle that they're using which is equal amount of deficit reduction for the amount the debt ceiling is raised. so if you're going to raise it by, you know, $3 or $4 trillion, we're talking about sort of massive reforms probably along the lines of the paul ryan budget which cut $5 trillion in spending. you'd see things like block granting of medicaid and food stamps and, you know, i don't think that they would put in what's called a voucher system or premium support system for medicare. that was, you know, pretty much trounced during the election. but we'll see. you need something with big numbers in order to -- [inaudible] more or less it's probably a smaller debt ceiling increase. and they also need to decide what to do about two
in the house caved over the weekend on the debt ceiling and said, all right. they will extend it for only three months, not good enough. they said they will extend it notno strings attached without all of the cuts to social security and medicare they had been demanding bluffs president obama, we got his back and he stays tough, gets things done in this second term. let's talk about it 866-55-press here on the "full-court press." it's monday morning, inaugural day, january 21st. >> this is "the full court press: the bill press show," live on your radio and on current tv. current tv presents special coverage of the presidential inauguration. the pomp, the circumstance the insight and analysis. only on current tv. we have a big big hour and the iq will go way up. (vo) current tv gets the converstion started weekdays at 9am eastern. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. (vo) tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block. >> you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. just be grateful current tv does n
, martha, where they're cot delling together what could be a three-month extension of the debt ceiling to try to hammer out more spending cuts and coupled with chuck schumer, the man in charge of today's big inaugural event, more tax hikes. a lot of bruising to come as far as they settle this but they are a long way from settling it. martha: neil, that raises a bigger question. you look at the second term of fdr who dealt with obviously severe economic distress in this country. what happened was they relapsed. there is lot of concern if we do continue to raise taxes and small business owners who the president said are one of his priorities in the second term, but if their sense is their taxes are going higher, they will continue to pull in and get smaller and leaner and not hire i would imagine. so the big question is, where is the whole economy going to head if taxes are increased in other ways in this country? >> well you know the president spoke to quickly come back at the notion, if wall street is worried about this and companies are worried about this, investors are worried about
will increase the debt ceiling on a short-term basis, but the senate has to pass a budget which it has not done in four years and if you don't do that then you don't get pay for congress. that has been criticized by democrats, but the issue here is where house republicans want to fight the administration on spending, and they want to force the president's hand for more spending and they have opportunities to do it, and the debt ceiling is one they don't want to fight over, and it's a bad result politically and economically for the country, and the sequestration, and they can tie some of the efforts to force the president's hand to cut spending to the other fights. >> the gop proposal that just came out calls for the house and senate to have some type of budget by mid april but doesn't include spending cuts, so can we view it as a concession on the republican's side. >> they don't want to get the blame for a potential default and what that would mean for the economy, and they would rather fight on things like shutting the governor down or automatic spending cuts going into effect, and they think
went on. i think after the debt ceiling fiasco of the summer of 2011, he learned he wasn't able to get anything done unless he was willing to go out there and fight against first principles by the other side. i was disheartened by what he proposed. but it was a real change from before. in the past, he often tried to compromise in advance and tried to calculate what might i get through congress. this time, and i think it may be a model for the next four years, he said, look, this is what i want. this is the full program. now, let's talk about it and see what we can get passed. and i think that has a lot more po ten rnl to get more stuff done. >> no doubt about it. when you look that the president has announced it is a nonprofit. donations will be disclosed, it will be run by a small inner circle of campaign advisors and give our allies a way to rally behind an agenda. when you look at that, you can tell, melissa, it is interesting to me that some of my friends on the lecht, the left trying to say more radical. i mean, you usually support people that you always supported if they're fulfi
the republicans and how he is now saying he will not wheel and deal with the debt ceiling. how he is putting his foot down and moving forward, all of the i shall shoes that we want to see changed. i think this is the time. we have a new president. and there's a song that says what are they doing in heaven today? and i'm sure dr. martin luther king, jr., today was cheering the watch party. >> the president, as we're speaking, you're seeing the president is leaving the viewing stand, the parade is over. and he is leaving the viewing stand. that's a live shot of the president and the vice president. leaving the viewing stand and shortly we'll go in and get prepared for the inaugural bats tonight. there will be two of them that the president has publically announced. he will attend the military ball and the regular presidential ball. governor rendell, you've watched and worked with presidents as governor, as the chair of the dnc. tell us from your vantage point the difference between president obama and 2009 and his first inaugural and the president obama we saw today? >> well, the answer is experie
the whole debt ceiling issue, and also immigration reform. something that the president said would be a top priority. so a lot of different events for the president today. capping it off will be two balls. on official inaugural ball and the commander in chief ball taking place tonight. key folks will be taking part in ceremonies today. in particular, some hispanics playing an important role. chief justice sonja sotomayor, takie ing place on the swearing of the president. the inaugural committee has chosen a cuban american to read an original poem. cuban american civil jeer and author, richard blanco. so hispanics playing an important role on an important day in washington. john. >> a long day of firsts and a long day of celebration. dan lothian at the white house this morning. the crowd expected to turn up at the national mall, not expected to be as large as four years ago, when 1.8 million people crowded into the city. they are still expecting some 800,000 people today. nothing to thumb your nose at. christi paul on the national mall where crowds are gathering. >> they are gathering and dr
and the time we deal with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they all are today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i owe an incredible debt of gratitude to you at the head table and those of you in the room. i know we don't have unanimity in this ballroom nor do we in any ballroom, but we all acknowledge that we have to do something. we have to act. and i hope we all agree, there is a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the one we witnessed in newtown 34 days ago cannot be continued to be tolerated. that tragedy has affected the public psyche in a way i have never seen before. the image of first graders, not only
issues he's facing -- the debt ceiling, and gun control. the president alluded to the challenges ahead in his inaugural adderss speech. >> we must make the hard choices to reduce the health care and the size of our deficit of we do not want it to make the choice of caring for the generation that the share of the country and the generation that will shape this country. >> also address - climate change and equal pay for women. joining us now, kron-4's political analyst micahel yaki. any surprises? >> it was a very bipartisan tone. and your thinking they just have an aggressive agenda. and the young, the u.s., the drive, he was reaching out to them picking up some of the other categories >> mammal he also talked about some " we the people. this new grass-roots advocacy program they are using the same techniques citizens that need it is number one, the gun control legislation. the congressional people's attention and getting it into their faces. >> and also to the gay community and talking about the fourth there has been a lot of criticism. there has not been enough about the war but there
in the last few days, the republicans have made some offers with respect to the debt ceiling and i've seen some republicans talking about immigration reform. so maybe we are on a roll. but i wouldn't bet on it yet. >> i, too, noticed those offers on things like the debt ceiling. but, general, what you've -- there's the real first couple of new york and washington, d.c. beyonce and jay-z entering. that will get a lot of attention. we just missed james taylor coming down the stairs. general, there's just flat out hatred out there, too. there is nastiness out there in the land. there's nastiness between these two parties. there's the president and mrs. carter. how do we fix that? let's especially go to the republican party. they've got -- they've been -- they've been caucusing. they've been quite literally in retreat these past few days. house republicans. what do they do to widen, if it is in their interests, widen their doorway to membership, to entry? >> well, as i've been saying and sat with david gregory the other day, the party is not where the american people have been in recent years.
-- it will be a big party on monday, but after monday as we move toward the debt ceiling conversations and the spending cuts get placed on the table, the poor are likely to take it on the chin. that is why we are here with in washington tonight having this conversation. our hashtag is #povertymustend. our website is afuturewithoutpoverty.com. you'll find a letter on that website -- you can electronically sign it asking the president to give a major public policy address on poverty sooner than later, and second to convene a white house conference on the eradication of poverty to bring experts to get into crafting national plan to cut poverty in half and eradicate it in the richest nation in the world. it is not a skill problem, it is via upawe have the will to the poverty a priority with in this country? >> you have to have the real economy. but we have now? i am amazed -- you could talk about public education, we could talk about health care. everyone knows that a single payer health care system would -- insurance would cover everyone. insurance companies would be gone. cost, quality,
'll be successful avoiding a terrible bruising battle over the debt ceiling? >> i think the president will be successful. the president won, and he won big, and people must respect that. he has the know-how, the skill, the gut to lead. he must tell people when he speak tomorrow during his inaugural that we must come together and look out for the common good and work together and be prepared to compromise. >> but that art of compromise is something we have not seen much of lately in this nation's capital on capitol hill. without a re-election campaign looming ahead, do you think the parties will be able to better work together with this this president in his second term? >> i think we all must work together with this president, not just democrat, not just liberals, but republicans and conservatives. if people fail to come together and work together the republican party will be a party of the past. >> tomorrow is a big day, a great day. a man you called your brother would have been 84. what is his legacy today? how will you read that? >> well, it's a different day. it's not just dr. kin
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